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  • #8943
    kellogs
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      And doing the full dipole via 1:1 transformer, catastrophe…

       

      I am convinced that the matching network impedances were calculated correctly (verified the method against values in the paper), and halving the dipole looks fine as per previous post…

       

      #8944
      n4es
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        This data looks more believable. Have you looked at S11 on a finer scale: separate scale or separate graph?

        #8945
        n4es
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          The network was designed to provide a 180-degree phase difference, NOT constant +90 and -90 degrees required when you ground the middle of the dipole. Floating the dipole with the transformer fixed the problem. The minor common-mode effects of using a physical dipole without a physical transformer should not pose a problem if the network is mounted near the dipole.

          It is usually good to employ a balun at the feed point of a dipole when using an unbalanced (coaxial) transmission line. With the network, you would also need a balun between the network and any coax line to the dipole. Mini-Circuits sells baluns and isolation transformers for low power (< 1 watt).

          #8946
          n4es
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            I didn’t quite say that right. I think the problem was that the two outputs from the network are not equal and opposite voltages, so you cannot ground the center of a two-part dipole model. It is the difference between the two network outputs that is important. Difference voltage, which is highest when the phases are 180 degrees apart.

            #8947
            kellogs
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              We are talking about the setup in #8943, yes ?

              I don’t get it, S11 looks terrible… I guess I should then disconnect GND between P2 and P3 and call it good 180 degrees difference ? If not, the phase diff also looks terrible to me.

              #8948
              n4es
              Participant

                That is a separate problem. I question the design of the network. The inductor values look very small for 315 MHz. S11 was terrible in my simulation with the dipole equivalent circuit also.

                #8949
                n4es
                Participant

                  Yes. 8943. The phasing network is a two stage L-network in each path, stepping the impedance down toward an antenna that is greater than 50 ohms. Seems backwards. What you really care about is minimum S11 at port 1 and maximum S21  if the antenna is port 2. I would replace S1P with port 2. Delete 8943 ports 2 and 3, and adjust TR1 ratio so that port 2 reflects as the antenna real impedance at resonance. Best S11 and S21 should occur when the phasing/matching network is optimum.

                  #8950
                  n4es
                  Participant

                    Or leave T1 at 1:1 and set port 2 impedance equal to antenna real impedance at resonance.

                    #8951
                    n4es
                    Participant

                      This is a narrow band circuit. You will not see a wide band 180 degree difference.

                      #8952
                      n4es
                      Participant

                        A simple balun or isolation transformer would give perfect 180-degree outputs over a broad bandwidth. More complex networks are sometimes used to get 90-degree splits for single-sideband mixers or circular polarization over limited bandwidths. At 315 MHz, a small quadrature hybrid coupler would give 90-degree split outputs.

                        #8954
                        kellogs
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                          Err, resonance ? No sir!

                          The two 47.9 nH were there to “resonate” the small antenna: 3.9 – j183.6 Ω  @315 MHz

                          The network is supposed to actually be ultra wide band

                          Besides, I was able to get a more decent S11 by halving the dipole: #8928

                          Thank you!

                          #8955
                          kellogs
                          Participant

                            The network is supposed to actually be ultra wide band

                            Besides, I was able to get a more decent S11 by halving the dipole: #8928

                            Thank you!

                            #8956
                            n4es
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                              I see. Broad network on a narrow, tuned antenna.

                              Physically implementing the network with real components should be fun too.

                              Best of luck with your project.

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