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    hptrivedi95
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      Hi QucsStudio community,

      I am Het Pranav Trivedi, an enthusiastic RF Engineer. I have been working with QucsStudio (u-Simmics-5.8) for the past 2 months.

      Recently, while simulating a circuit, I found that it yielded a max_ulgain_dB of 42.8 dB, which, to the best of my understanding, indicates the maximum unilateral transducer gain. When I hand calculate it using S-parameters, I get 32.8 dB gain. I am attaching an image of the circuit and an image of the .s2p file. The transistor used is from a special transistor library>>atf3413 low noise pHEMT

      The formula I use for hand-calculation is as follows:
      GTU,MAX = GAU,MAX = GPU,MAX = [(1/(1 – |ГS|^2))]*[|S21|^2]*[(1/(1 – |ГL|^2))] (This formula is referenced from – Microwave Transistor Amplifier Analysis Design, 2nd Edition by Guillermo Gonzalez )

      GTU,MAX dB = 10log10(GTU,MAX)

      S12 = 0 is assumed for GTU and then ГS = S11*, ГL = S22* gives the GTUMAX as to my understanding. This way it only depends on S – parameters and not on source and load impedances, as they are assumed to be conjugate as described above. So, |ГS| = |S11*| = |S11| , |ГL| = |S22*| = |S22| in the above formula.

      GLUMAX = 0.16 dB, GSUMAX = 10.438 dB , GD = 22.064 dB

      GTUMAX = 10.438 + 22.064 + 0.16 = 32.662 dB

      Now, agreeably at 1 GHz, K < 1 and Δ < 1, along with |S12| ≠ 0 or < 0.005 (Considering |S21| < 40), thus unilateral gain merit cannot be applied here, although, as I understand it can still be computed assuming |S12| = 0. GMSG hand calculation aligns well with max_gain_dB.

      Kindly help me figure out what I am missing.

      PFA
      Best Regards
      Het (KJ5BEI)

       

      #9228
      Max1499
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        Hello Het,

        In the directory where uSimmics is installed there is a subdirectory named “doc” in which you find the file “technical.pdf”. This contains a detailed description of all calculations used in uSimmics. The calculation you are interested in is on page 38 under “4.6.2 Gain”. I am not sure if your own calculation is different.
        In a first step I recommend in this case not to use the s2p-file to get S-parameter values but to use a diagram to plot all parameters and set markers. Moreover, for doing hand calculations I suggest to use uSimmics itself. In a diagram you can plot a graph defined by your own equation and add a second graph with the max_ulgain_dB(S) function for comparison. That makes it easy to check if your own formula is different from the one used by uSimmics. I did not define an equation in the attached simulation but you certainly get the idea.

        Regards

        Max

         

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        hptrivedi95
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          Hi Max,

          Please view the attached image, which reports the maximum unilateral transducer gain from equations computed in QucsStudio using S-parameters as 32.8 dB (equations are also visible). This is because the image of .s2p file I attached was extracted directly from the schematic. The formula given in the technical document reduces to the one that I mentioned in the previous post under the conditions of a unilateral maximum approach to gain. It is also mentioned in chapter – 3 page 230 of Microwave Transistor Amplifier Analysis Design, 2nd Edition by Guillermo Gonzalez.

          I am where I started. However, thank you for your prompt response and debug suggestion.

          PFA
          Best Regards
          Het (KJ5BEI)

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